Casting Director Workshops

If you’re like me before I moved to Los Angeles a year ago, then you have absolutely no idea what casting director workshops are. In short, they are places where you pay anywhere from $30 – $50 (or more) to meet a casting director, and perform a scene they give you there or a scene you have already prepared (depending on the workshop location). Basically, you are paying to audition for the casting director, although that language–paid audition–is central to the recent crackdown on these CD workshops. There are a large number of workshop locations around the city with various formats, but in most all cases a casting director, associate, or assistant comes in to the workshop for a couple hours and watched anywhere from 15 – 30 actors perform. It should be noted that while the CD does indeed receive money, oftentimes the majority of the money goes to the workshop place itself. The community has been split for a while on the merits/legality of these workshops, and the recent controversy has sprouted some spirited discussion and opposition to the new law.
Rather than go into great detail on workshops, workshop locations, and the like, I would like to offer you an email response I sent to a recent discussion that started on Hollywood Happy Hour (side note: if you are not on this email list then you are truly missing out). For more information on workshops themselves, please check out this post from Brains Of Minerva, or this incredibly informative post by Bonnie Gillespie on the issue (note: her post was written after I first published my thoughts below, and includes excerpts from it).
So, here it is. Some of my thoughts on CD workshops…
I think the topic of Casting Director workshops is extremely important to our community, and wanted to add my two cents.
Let me start by saying that I have attended dozens of workshops and have, in general, been quite pleased with the result. I have met a number of people in casting I would not have otherwise met at this juncture, and have formed a number of strong relationships that will certainly carry into the future. All this to say that I have no bitterness whatsoever towards workshops, though I have had some growing concerns…
It seems the core of this issue is the idea of paying for a job interview. To me, that it’s illegal is almost beside the point, because so is speeding and tearing that tag off my mattress, and I don’t find the legality of either activity particularly compelling reasons to avoid them. The issue here, though, is that if anyone in a field is allowed to PAY for a job interview, the playing field suddenly becomes very lopsided, and unfairly so. Should Rich Kid Sally have a better shot at that coveted office job with flexible hours, high pay, and an understanding that you’re going to need to leave for auditions over Poor Kid Joe merely because she could pay for a job interview? At that point, we are no longer looking at merit (or even connections, social intelligence, whatever) as a reason for hire. Suddenly the well-to-do are able to (ostensibly) move to the front of the line simply because of money. Restricting this practice does not come from a motivation of restricting choice, but rather to protect large portions of the population as well as attempting to have as level a playing field as possible. It’s the same reason why politicians are allowed to buy advertising, but not actual votes.
Now, some have argued that workshops are not paid auditions, to which I have to wholeheartedly disagree. Yes, there are actual classes and other one-offs that are more educational, but I have not been to a *single* workshop in which the VAST majority of attendees were there primarily because the CD could potentially give them a job. If the workshops were run by writers instead of casting directors, I have no doubt that workshop attendance would dramatically decrease (which is ironic, because writers probably have more power to hire actors than CDs do, but that’s a whole other Oprah). Even the top-rated, most legitimate workshop places I have attended speak tongue-in-cheek about the “educational” value of the workshops. Everyone knows that in the end workshops are (primarily) a way of attempting to procure future employment. Yes there are exceptions, yes workshops can be good audition practice, and yes some CDs are more edifying than others, but I find it hard to believe that if CDs were suddenly stripped of their hiring power that ANY actor would attend these workshops.
When looking at the actual laws being put in place, I think it’s important to look at who they affect as well. To be honest, I’m not really worried about the actors who are on top of their game, doing their research and everything else in their power to forward their career (read: the actors who most benefit from workshops anyway). It’s the countless masses of others who are unaware and are more apt to need protection. I moved to L.A. about a year ago, and started doing workshops because it seemed to be “the thing to do.” I never thought twice about it until this controversy arose. That concerns me. If we as a community proffer that paying for job interviews is the standard, then it will indeed become so. I recently encountered an actress who had just started acting about 6 months ago. She was deep in research over all the workshop places because that’s what everyone else was doing. I guess I’m less concerned about a law keeping her from attending a workshop, and more troubled with the fact that workshops were her default method of moving forward. She was surrounded by a community of intelligent actors; why was no one saying that perhaps she should get a little more training or do some more research on what workshops actually were before diving in head first? This is the actor who needs protection–be it provided by the law or from her peers.
The bigger question for me, is how we want to be viewed as an acting community. Why is it that we demand for our right to pay for what used to be free? I’m certainly not advocating nostalgia over the “good ol’ days” of general meetings and play attendance (I’m too young to do so anyway :p), but when was the last time someone even asked for a general meeting? We claim to be a community of creatives, and yet when it comes to the business pursuit of our careers we often become myopic, doing the same things as everyone else. We live in a time where there are more ways than ever to get on the radar of anyone with the ability to hire us. From social media to self-submitting to self-producing to web series to networking events to more television shows on air than ever before to good ol’ fashioned phone calls–there are so many myriad ways to get ourselves and our work in front of people on the other side of the desk I worry when there is an uproar over not being able to pay for the privilege. In a day and age where an email or even a tweet can deliver a reel of our best work to anyone instantaneously, I am reticent to think that actors cannot get their work seen by CDs in any other way than a workshop. What if actors simply started dropping off hard copies of their demo reels to casting offices. How much more effective and efficient might that be than paying $40+ and 2+ hours to see a CD for 5 minutes? I would wager that if actors called casting officers saying that they couldn’t afford/were opposed to CD workshops, and asked to send/drop off a demo reel that they would have a 90% success rate in getting it viewed. Don’t have a demo reel? Well get together the 20 actors who were going to go to the workshop, pool the $40 a piece, and take that $800 to hire a full crew (DPs, writers, editors, the whole nine…) for a day to film reel material for everyone. Or take the next $800 from everyone’s next workshop and produce a showcase, or a web series, or a play, or whatever…all ways to get your work seen. Or hell, if it really is about the educational experience, then take all that money and hire one of these CDs to come direct scenes for 2 hours, or see a play, or critique demo reels, or be filming something and have the CD show up to direct/critique. What better way to get Casting Directors to know your work than to invite them onto a set to see how people work…?
I understand why actors do CD workshops. I certainly know why I’ve done them. It’s one of the very few guaranteed ways to get your work in front of a legitimate casting person. More than anything, workshops make me FEEL like I’m part of the greater, more legitimate acting industry in the city. And if I’m honest with myself, workshops are easy. It’s far easier for me to plunk down 40 bones and know that I’m at least starting an industry relationship than it is to pick up the phone and cold call a producer.
I would hope that we wouldn’t need a law to protect us from ourselves. And again, I honestly don’t care that much about the law itself, but I also don’t buy that actors will do workshops no matter what. The same was said about no one wearing seatbelts, or hockey players not wearing helmets. Interestingly, in both those cases the community-at-large desired the law, but broke it individually. When polled, professional hockey players said they wanted everyone to wear helmets, but without a guarantee that everyone would, there was an individual disadvantage to do so. It wasn’t until it was mandated that ALL hockey players wear helmets that they did so…and happily.
If I’ve learned nothing else in my year in Los Angeles, it’s that the community of actors truly is brilliant. People are smart, supportive, and caring. Whether we decide to do workshops or not, I just hope that we can take a hard and honest at look at why we do them, and if they are indeed the best thing for our community AS A WHOLE. We’re all in this together…
Thanks for reading one actor’s opinion. =)
As always, we invite you to add your comments and discussion below.
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about 3 months ago
Hey Ben!
Great post. I absolutely agree (which is hard for me to admit since there’s been a ton of backlash about the cracking downs).
Truth is, I’ve had success off workshops – as have my friends – but paying to meet someone who also gets paid to source new talent, seems kinda silly to me.
With so many ways to meet actors out there – film festivals – webseries – video reels – plays – hell: waiting at your local restaurant/coffee shop….
Is it really that hard for CDs to find talent?
Truth be told – workshops are easy for them too. They go in, get paid, and get to pick out the couple of people in the class who they might be able to use (generally people with A) talent + B) credits + C) an agent or manager of some sort). Who wouldn’t be onboard?
Collectively, as an acting community, we’ve got to get onboard for what we’re willing to accept. Unfortunately, often as “desperate to work, desperate to act” actors – what we’re willing to accept is often just about anything.
about 3 months ago
The Bottom line to me is that if Agents were doing their jobs then Workshops would not be so popular. The only way to get a career started in this town is to build relationships with the CD’s.
The Agents need their Actors to do that also so that they can pitch their clients and get a positive response. I know from personal experience that Workshops do work having taken over 200 Casting Director Workshop.
I have not been able to get an Agent in over 12 years and yet I was able to get all my Auditions including my 3 Recurring Roles on Soaps, Cop Shows, and Co-Star Roles all from Workshops.
If Workshops ever all together closed; what a truly sad day that would be for all those Actors who have no credits and thus can’t get an Agent because they need the Credits. Workshops produce Auditions/Relationships with the CD’s which leads to credits! Those credits lead to a better Agent which all together leads to becoming a Working Actor!
So if you have a better idea that works over doing a workshop and building a relationship with the Casting Directors….I would love to know because I personally have found no better way!!!
JOE
about 3 months ago
I do think it is important to protect the actors/individuals who do not know better, i.e. folks new to town and parents who are trying to get their kids into the business without knowing much about it.
Is paying to see a casting director ideal? No. But it is valuable, not just for the chance to create a new relationship and potentially get work, but also for the educational aspects. I learn something from nearly every workshop, whether it’s a note about my type, a note about my work, or even just what the office of that cd is like. I learn about my strengths, my areas that need work, and I learn a lot about what it’s like to interact with all sorts of people, how to deal with their particular energy, etc. Whenever I’ve walked out of a workshop and felt like I was taken advantage of, it doesn’t tend to be because of the facility, but more because of the individual cd. As I said on my own blog, there’s no law against assholes.
That being said, the majority of cds/associates/assistants that I’ve met have been nice, and many of them are genuinely interested in meeting the actors, in giving solid feedback, etc. Beyond the things I’ve listed, the workshops have helped me in another way: learning how to feel comfortable reading for a cd. That’s vital.
So, I was thinking…
Do you know if there is a commission or a board responsible for evaluating each workshop business in LA? My thought is simply that this pocket of the industry could be treated like the health department treats restaurants. Set up a specific entity to evaluate each workshop on a yearly basis (or even sooner, every six months), to make sure they are operating properly and in accordance with appropriate guidelines. Grades could even be assigned, based on their business practices. If we have a Better Business Bureau for these businesses, do you think that might allow workshops in the legit places to run as usual?
I don’t know if this is already done, and I’m sure that people will find ways to circumvent it even if it did happen, but it was an idea that I had in passing. And it would still be the responsibility of each actor/parent to do their research on acceptable/legit businesses. Of course, then it becomes about what the standard will be, what is acceptable or unacceptable, etc, and perhaps that’s more difficult to discerne. Anyway…it was a thought.
about 3 months ago
Ben,
Very well written post. You certainly bring up interesting points regarding the issue, but I feel like most of the discussions floating around the interwebs dance around the heart of it all – paying for an audition (pay-to-play) and what it means to an industry that allows that to occur.
Now, I’m new to town and I’m not the brightest bulb in the box, so I’d like for someone to help me out here.
I worked in the corporate world in advertising/marketing for almost a decade. I moved around a lot and held numerous “real” jobs. I interviewed for many, many more. Never once was the thought of paying to meet someone who might be able to affect my being hired even remotely considered.
When I found out this was something that occurred here in this industry I was literally floored (I mean I really fell out of my chair). Can you think of any industry where you’d consider paying to see someone who might be able to affect your being hired? Starbucks? Gap? IBM? Etc, Etc.
I must be missing something (and I’m not being a smart-ass here, I’d really like someone to help me figure this out). I just don’t get it.
Clark
about 3 months ago
Great post. You strike just the right balance between being not-too-bent-out-of-shape by the technical details of legality while highlighting the core realities.
I think it is possible that paying to interview for a job happens in this industry because of actors being so “desperate to work, desperate to act” as has happened with up-front fee agents and a myriad of other unsavory schemes.
Perhaps producers may want refrain from hiring people who prey on actors (among producers’ most vital collaborators), no matter the form of the preying.
about 3 months ago
@Clark: Exactly!
The reason actors are complaining about this is because they no longer see any way to meet casting directors except the workshops. CD’s no longer have time to attend as many plays at night, because they’re all teaching… so that’s out. Drop-offs and doing “rounds” is gone too because of building security. The sheer number of actors that exist now just make everything so much harder… and since actors are getting advice online, almost everyone knows to postcard, use Actor’s Access, market, etc. So face-to-face time, even if paid, doesn’t seem like a bad thing.
I feel bad for the casting people too–they’re budgets have all been slashed due to economic fallout, so they’re just not making much $$. These workshops have kept many CDs in business while they’ve been off contracts.
Ultimately, the workshops are not good for actors, since it prevents CDs from having time to attend plays, festivals, and places where real work is being done.
about 3 months ago
Excellent post, Ben!
There has been a lot of discussion about CD workshops – even before the City of LA crack down – due to the whole “pay to play” controversy. Because the CDs no longer do generals, there needed to be a way to meet CDs, hence, the CD workshop. I actually enjoy workshops not only because I have another opportunity to play, I get an opportunity to meet a CD that I am interested in. The thing that is really bugging me about the City of LA rules is that CDs won’t be allowed to take headshots, which is what I depend on to start a relationship with a particular CD.
about 3 months ago
Terrific blog. I have been concerned about this topic for a loooong time. The fact of the matter is that this has been going on for a loooong time- like 25 years! It is not new. And I have known actors to get work and agents through the contacts they’ve made. But that was years ago and it sounds like it has gotten worse lately. I’m sure we can’t just make a blanket statement and say that all the CDs are taking advantage, taking money with no intention of looking at the actors. That would be unfair. I think it boils down to percentages. The CDs see a lot of actors and if any stand out they will keep in touch. Its too their advantage to do so. But if you are not one of the ones they contact, you may feel cheated. And if it happens a large percentage of the time, you may get bitter. Hopefully a new system will replace the old one.
Dr. M.
http://www.muse-of-fire.org/audition_physician
about 3 months ago
I just want to thank everyone who has taken the time to read this and especially those of you who have left your wonderful insights and thoughts in the comments. This kind of dialogue is exactly the thing I was hoping to engender when I started writing this blog. My sincerest thanks.
about 3 months ago
I agree with some of Ben’s comments, but I definitely agree, wholeheartedly, with Clark. I’m not green to acting and the entertainment industry, and this is my second time to LA to pursue an acting career. I’ve been here six months and have attended only one workshop with a name-CD. I do think it’s wrong to charge actors to pay for something that, should be free. I didn’t come away from the workshop I attended feeling like I had developed any type of relationship with the CD, even though, he did spend a considerable amount of time with me on my scene. And unlike a good scene study class, with a trained teacher who really knows the craft of acting, I really didn’t get too much out of his evaluations of other actors. In this particular workshop there were at least 20 people in attendance and because the CD spent so much time, early in the evening, with some actors, mid-way through, after realizing that time was running short on time he began to speed through his evaluations of the remaining actors. If I was one of those whose performance was evaluated toward the end of the session I would have felt cheated. As it was, after the CD saw me do my scene I was ready to leave, but it was the rule of the workshop that we stay, watch and pay attention to everyone’s performance. I cannot say that I would not take another CD workshop, but I’m going to try not to. I can’t afford to shell out $30, $40 or $50 like that. That’s money I would much rather spend on a *real* class that I can actually get something out of. Everyone has different paths in this business and people have to do what they believe works best for them. But at the end of the day my conscious won’t allow me to do it. I do wish the industry would do something about this because it’s no different than the payola scandals of the 1950s and 60s in the record industry. I am a very spiritual person and I believe in myself and my talent. And I know that I will find representation and get work without selling myself out in order to make it as a working actor in this town.
about 3 months ago
I just finished reading through your blog, Ben, and all of the comments.
Hi-five!
I’m in the NY/CT area and so the experiences discussed aren’t as close to home but the frustration is. When I approached the end of my MFA study I heard worries and stresses about getting work. I’ll be perfectly honest with everyone, not one person mentioned CD workshops. Zip.
They talked about hitting the streets, networking with people, finding work, creating work, etc. To this day the people I’m still in contact with are still looking for work or creating their own work.
In my humble opinion, there is no excuse in today’s world keeping us from creating our own work – as Ben points out it is no longer a cost prohibitive endeavor. It’s a willingness to do rather than say your going to do that needs to be conquered.
As I type I wonder what the differences are here in the NY/CT area. There is no law in NY or CT and yet people seem to be working and meeting each other.
Short term money is a very easy thing to become comfortable with and has probably kept many CDs in workshops instead of freeing up their time for shows or generals. — A great point you made on this topic Ben. –
I added some of my own thoughts to the new law before learning of Ben’s blog: http://garyploski.com/the-krekorian-talent-scam-prevention-act
Break a leg everyone!
about 3 months ago
Thanks for the comment Gary and taking the time to blog about yourself!
about 2 months ago
Are these workshops pay to play? Paid for auditions? Let’s see… If I take a girl out and she asks if I’d like to have sex, I say yes and then she asks me to buy a 500 dollar bottle of champagne from her (wholesale 5 bucks)…